My second main character of an imaginary novel (I confess, I never wrote it, but that was Hannah’s fault), was thus Athina Onassis. The Onassis story is worth a small detour, because it is horibly interesting although quite sad.
During the ottoman empire, the Greek populated not only the actual Greek regions but also great parts of the actual Turkish Mediterranean coast. Many were in Istanbul and also in actual Bulgaria, Macedonia or FIROM, and even upper to the north and east (Georgia, actual Armenia, Ukrania, even Albania, etc). Greece freed itself in two historical moments: the first, almost without help, about 1830, freed Athens and the country around. The other 1914/1922 fixed the actual borders. After 1918 towns at the Mediterranean coast and eastern Thrakia belonged to Greece, even European Istanbul. Agreements not respected between Turkey and Greece, the allies (France, England, Italy), ‘invited’ the Greek to make it be respected. (I was told this by a highly ranked Catholic priest, father Corinthio, born in Turkey from French/Greek origins, studied in Greece and became responsible for the oecumenical relationship between Vatican and the orthodox church, what he was when I got to know him.) This invitation was at the origin of one of the most desastrous campaigns ever launched: having arrived to Istanbul, the Greek decided to go further to Ankara while Thessaloniki born Ata Türk was gathering Turks in the far East in the Pontos mountains as the Sultan had no power of response anymore. Ata Türk fell on the exhausted Greek at the so called Kokkini Milia (the red mile) and eliminated the hungry and thirsty soldiers. The Turk thus reconquered lost territory and arrived quickly to the coast, and almost all Greek living there were pushed into the see and drowned in front of the eyes of the ‘neutral and indifferent’ observing ships of the allies. Eastern Thrakia and Istanbul fell into Turkish hands again.
One of the towns that were mostly affected was Smyrne, most ancient Greek town mentioned already in Apocalypsis. (Traditionally, already at the times of Herodotus, Greek populations lived on the coast, cause and origin of the Persian wars, when some decided to push their adventurous spirit a little bit too far and affronted Persian Kings.)
(Smyrne, actual Izmir)And Aristotelis Onassis was born in Smyrne from a rich merchant’s family. He saved his life, lost though all his family and wealth, left for a while to Greece and decided to migrate to Argentina. There, he got a job as a telephonist (well, as you say in English), and the following story is told which could be partly a myth (heard in a Greek tv program on family Onassis): He listened to a converstion where someone told to someone else that there would be this and that movement in a great company and that shares would be very cheaply sold. He went to a friend of his and borrowed some money he invested immediately in the given shares. Little after, he became extremely rich. He went back to his friend and gave him back his money telling him his extraordinary success. His friend asked him why he had not shared the information, and thus the fortune. Onassis answered:”For what is not sure, I can take the responsibility for myself, though not for someone else. If I had made a mistake, I would have become your slave for the rest of my life, but how may I have taken the responsibility of your ruin?” He bought ships, got married to a woman belonging to one of the oldest Athenian families, whose sister was married to his ‘enemy’ Niarxos (another ship owner), had two children, a boy and a girl, Cristina. He quarreled with then Prime Minister Karamanlis (uncle of actual Prime Minister Costas), when he wanted to make prevail economical interests on political balances, and was kindly pushed back by a historical sentence of Karamanlis saying: “Politics should not be under the influence of particular economical interests.” He fell in love with Opera singer Callas,
(‘The’ Callas) further divorced his wife who would become Niarxos’s second wife after a strange death of the first wife and sister of the second,
(Onassis and Callas) deeply suspected by many of having been a murder, did though not marry Callas but Kennedy’s widow Jaqueline. His son died in an airplane accident. His daughter Cristina would marry several times without ever managing to get a child.
(Cristina Onassis) Finally Athina Onassis was born from a short encounter with French Roussel (*). She divorced little after and died in Argentina, someone saying of an accident, others, committing suicide, others, that she was murdered. Little Athina was at that time not more than two or three years old and would stay from then on with the Roussel familiy. Aristotelis Onassis would die alone without male inheritor surrounded by emptyness.
If Onassis’s story seemed so attractive to me, it was because not only it described in a flashing image what we may still call destiny, but also because Athina’s mother’s testament would confront our contemporary world with gravest dilemma. Roussel was forbidden access to the fortune, left in Greek hands. In order for the girl to be allowed to take over the fortune at 21, she was obliged to learn Greek and keep the name Onassis, which is to say, she was to be considered inheritor Onassis and not Roussel.
Athina though was forbidden contact with the Greek familiy members and never learned Greek. Thierry Roussel almost manages to make her change the name. On top of that, he accuses the Greek of bad administration of the fortune and manages about 1999/2001 to transfer the fortune to Switzerland. Last attempts to appear sympathetic to the Greek shows him visiting twice or three times Greece accompanied by his daughter.
The question arising concerning what I used to call a ‘violent rape of testament’ was linked to the fact whether it is possible to make prevail second and third arguments in order not to respect a testament’s clauses. In no case is it written in the testament that bad administration of the fortune may have as consequence that the fortune be given over to others. Which right, which law could be imposed on given testament’s clauses? French? Swiss? International?
Although Roussel makes efforts to make appear his relationship with Athina as perfect, an ancient maid of Athina’s mother publishes a book in Greece alerting of the fact that the girl’s life is in danger. Being the only Greek left in Athina’s surroundings, her sayings seem, though a little exaggerated, quite near to reality. Athina leaves her parental house and quarrels deeply with Roussel. As far as I know, she gets married to a Brazilian horse rider.
Herodotus says that children do wear parent’s psychic inheritance even if they have never known them, and links the fall of the Babylonian empire to this fact: the king having had a dream where his daughter’s son will cause his ruin, sends an officer to kill the boy. The officer though feels pity for the child’s life and gives it to some shepherds. Growing up, the child shows incredible aptitudes of command, and the people, surprised, do alert the Palace. After a little time the King discovers that he is his own grandson, and feeds the officer with his own child. (Cruelty said at the origin of his ruin.) As his daughter has been sent to some kind of exile, to the regions of former Persia (actual Iran: Ekbatana), the child is sent to his mother. He groups all the populations of the region, attacks his grandfather and becomes the first King of Persia.
The latter was confirmed to me by a Colombian psychologist, Rocío Calvache, who told her sister who had never known her mother, behaved and spoke exactly as the mother had done.
The theoretical question which was of such importance to me, was to know whether it could be true, that Athina’s mother had left much more than a testament in favour of her daughter, and thus, whether the observations concerning a quite well known individual could give a light on how deep psychic inheritance may influence not only a life but the relationship among nations. Would the Greek defeat the French? And if, how?
(*) * claiming to the fathership of Athina Onassis, as exposed below, here some picture which help establishing whether there is factually some kind of ressemblance, or not.
(**) For more information on his claim and factual data concerning the Onassis will, please refer to http://double2up.wordpress.com/tag/athina-onassis-affair/ (not valid link)

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November 30rth 2008

On November 18th 2008, Howard OLeary hands over flowers and candles to the captain of the ship making the link to Onassis private Skorpios Island for the Flowers and Candles to be left on Christina Onassis tomb on the 20th anniversary of Christina’s passing..
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November 20, 2006 at 11:17 pm
Gene Carrier
Could it be possible….
Athina Onassis
I was a model in 1984 and working for Thierry Rousell’s agency called First Models in Paris .
Thierry had a party one evening and I and 25 other male modeks were invited to this party ,,, strangly enough there was only one girl at this party and her name was Chritine ………….
second draft
Hello ,
I was at a party in 1984 thrown by Thierry Roussel The owner of First Model Agency in Paris . Christina
Onassis was the only female there at this party along with 25 male models from Thierry’s agency … In paticual was one male model that connected with Christina Onassis at that party . I believe that this male model is the real father of Athina Onassis and not Thierry roussel.
I am wondering if Thierry and Athina have ever had a DNA test and I would bet money that no test have ever been done .. She doesn;t have blue eyes like Thierry and the face the eyes and the teeth and smile look exactly like this male model that connected with Christina at Thierry’s party ..
I believe what the rest of the would believes about Thierry and thats he married Christina for her money . maybe he set it up to marry her with reasons like that a woman of her stature should not have a baby out of wedlock or that it would be good for the child to have a father “HIM ” as the father once she found out she was pregnant ……Since her tragic death and the mystery surronding her death this could be one of the secrets to the Onassis heir ………..
Is there a way to get this message to Athina ???
I would like her to know since she has had so many problems with Thierry and it might set her free from her bad past with him , especially if it trues out that a DNA would prove that Thierry is not the real Father of Athina .
You may conact me at this email address if you want to know who the real father of Athina Onassis is .
Thank You So Much,
Robbie Sr.
Posted by: ROBERT SR. | 02/13/2006 at 08:06 PM
I have kept another secret for all these years ,, I was that model in 1984 in Paris and worked for Thierry Roussel’s Model Agency “First Model Agency” and he had a party one night and there were 25 of us male models and only one female there , her name was Christine and only one model had an affair with her and yes that model was me ……Turns out that Thierry married Christine Onassis and Christine had a child Athina Onassis ,, “The poor little rich girl” was the tittle people gave her …..Funny thing is she looks alot like me too hair line ,Eyes , eye brows and also the teeth ….. Recently I searched her and found out she paid Thierry 84 or 100 million dollars to go away ? Was that some sort of seattlement ,,, why would she do that if he was her real father ???Could she have found out something that the rest of the world does not know ?? All I am saying is that she does not look like Thierry Roussel and have told a couple of people this story and they all say the same thing , that they never thought she looked at all like Thierry as well.I have been in contact with an author named Alexis and this person has assured me that they have been forwarding my emails to the Roussel family ,It has been four weeks and still no answer yet .I told them that I would also volenteer for DNA testing and I am waiting for them to respond to me . i hope that she is really my daughter and that one day soon we would meet .I have so much to say to her …
November 21, 2006 at 4:32 pm
sonjakasten1
Thanks for submitting this request to me, but I don’t know how much I can do. Can you send me a picture of yours, so that I can publish it on this site in order to know whether other people do see the same similarity? What is your actual nationality? Where are you living now? And how did it become that you were working for T Roussel agency (do you have proofs?) and that you met Cristina Onassis? Do you remember anything more specific?
It is an evidence that trying to get in contact with her through … Roussel, will do nothing but perhaps even severely … put your life in danger! There are many millions behind and states behind the millions. If the money goes somewhere else than … provided, it may have mortal consequences. (They don’t joke these people.) On the other hand, if you don’t have other states interested in claiming were it even a false paternity (perhaps herself) in order to get the due percentage, I see little meaning in putting your life in danger …
December 4, 2006 at 8:10 pm
Thanasis L.
I would appreciate any and all information regarding Athina Onassis…I have found some interesting photos of her Mother and Grandfather . I was a bodyguard each time her Mother or/and Grandfather Aristotle Onassis touched ground in New York City…Before and after his wedding to Jackie O…Also was with her uncle Mr. Konialidis and Gratsos in new York City, hiring, for cash under the table, some of the New York City’s finest (Detectives–during Serpecu movies times Knapp Commission–)..
I am the one that had the fight while her Granfather Onassis was coming out of the movie with Jacki O. attacked by Paperazzis on 57th street Manhattan. The Press wrote that Jackie did Jiu-Zitsu, FALSE, so the paperazzi had a settlement for damages when I punched one of the camera men …Still have Photos available…
December 4, 2006 at 10:34 pm
sonjakasten1
Elinas eisai? What do you think of the comment of the parisian model? You think it could have any grain of truth in it? If you have pictures available, I’ll fix them on the site, if you like!
December 8, 2006 at 6:42 pm
sonjakasten1
Slightly ‘censored’ e-mail from posting above Thanasis, answering to the question what he thought of the comment above. (Censored xxx)
“I personally escorted Christina while in the xxxx on fifth Avenue, Manhattan,NYC. I went to lunches with her, banks, trips with her. At no time ever she acted in a disrespectful manner. She may have had a few disappointments in life just like every human on this planet. We all make mistakes during our lifes path. This xxx , so called model, xxx –should be ashame to even post this untrue statement. She was not a whore. I dont even believe he met her or he was there unless he provides valid proof–photo which I would test hightech screening if photo is valid.
Captain Thanasis
I am not being protective of Christina but having spent time with her I dont believe him.”
January 16, 2007 at 3:34 am
gene Carrier
I was a coulture Model for Christian Doir , The dior show of Janurary or 1984 .
They keep tapes of shows like these ….. i don’t like your name calling either .
I am not affraid or anything so I may post a photo .
The truth is it was the 80’s and I did just recently read the book of Christina and some more peices came together for me .
Challening the estate or the will is not my intension but if I need to to get recognition as the real father then I have been considering this only to try to get in touch with a long lost daughter .
There was the time that I heard about Christina’s death and it did take me back to the times in Paris 1984.
just that the book had said about the weight treatment and the timing for her exiting treatment and the timing of the party was perfect .
Now imagin that you where her and what better way to see if the treatment was successfull that to have Thierry throw a party where Christina was the only female at this party with 25 of Thierry’s madols………..
Now what do you have to say about this point . …….
I have a lot more matteral and I will have to dig into my file ….
January 16, 2007 at 3:56 am
gene Carrier
Another thing I ask myself is why she changed her name ?????????????
No more Roussel in her name and its a wonder why ….
January 16, 2007 at 4:04 am
gene Carrier
There are 25 or so other male models who are witness and they were present at this party and I am sure that they all remember this party ….
Having an affair with Christina was like an affrair with a princess …
I have offten remembered our affair and I have allways refected on Christina as a princess,, she truly was
January 17, 2007 at 4:10 pm
sonjakasten1
May you send the pictures to me, if ever available? My actual e-mail is soniakasten@walla.com. I could post them for proof.
January 23, 2007 at 3:16 am
Gene carrier
I have had two seperate people trying to help me with my claim to being the father of Athina Onassis . My next step is to make a legal stand in this matter .
I am not interested in the money and only want to know if she is indeed the child from my affair with Christina The best would be if we could be friends , I relise it is to late to be her father and after what she went through with someone else being a father to her I am sure her trust level is not to high in people .
I was the worlds most handsome man of 1984 and I had 32 pages of campaynes from Gianfranco Ferre in all the fashion mags. I had more campaynes then any other model in the history of fashion . I also did all the shows for Versace and Verri Uomo Christian Dior …
There was a question I always had as to why all of my assignments did not reach me through my agents at First Model Agency Paris , I used to tell my friend that the female bookers at the agency were sleeping with models and they were giving all the bookings to their boyfriend models that were sleeping with them . meaning as well that I never fell into that kind of trap that can happen to models . Its like sleeping with older woman for money ……
There was another theory since my comming to this awaking in my life and now it makes more sence that I was run out of Paris by forces , Lets Say , forces that wanted me out of Paris since I had fullfilled my purpose..
How could it be that a model that took Italy by storm not have succeeded in Paris .I have other proff as well to what went on in Paris .
It is very clear to me now since I have read the Christina Onassis book , All The pain that money can buy .
there was alot of deception in Christina’s world and she could not see it and it was right in front of her .
Sincerly,
Gene Carrier
January 23, 2007 at 4:20 am
Gene carrier
Subject Athina Onassis father
I believe I am The biological father of Athina Onassis though an affair with Christina Onassis
Gene Carrier
January 25, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Gene Carrier
Herodotus says that children do wear parent’s psychic inheritance even if they have never known them,
Funny how you wrote this piece in your blog and then I read this and I have to laugh . Its about me in a way and the fact that Athina never knows her real father .
There is a feeling in me that says I was used . There are many of my secrets that confirm how I was used ..
Like I said secrets and I am not sure if I will every tell anything about these secrets .
Sincerly,
Gene Carrier
January 25, 2007 at 2:30 pm
sonjakasten1
Could you send a picture of yourself to see whether it is possible to establish at least any kind of apparent similarity? It would help to clear up things, I think. Well, you’ve got my e-mail. If you have a look into your files, perhaps you find something.
January 29, 2007 at 11:27 am
Rina
I have also read the book about Christina “All the pain that money can buy.” Although I have a lot of sympathy for Christina in the way that most men abused her trust, love and friendship just to get a go at her money, she had (according to the author) a lot of one-night-stands. When she married Thierry and he had so to speak “abandoned” her for Gaby, she even resumed her relations with Basuldo (her longtime friend and confidante), and according to him slept with her a few times. So it may be possible that she was involved with this male model.
But why not publish a photo of yourself so that we can compare Athina and yourself?
April 25, 2007 at 2:35 am
Gene Carrier
Athina Onassis’s father is Gene Carrier
I have been in touch with attorneys and will continue my search to find out the truth ….
Sincerely,
Gene Carrier
April 25, 2007 at 2:27 pm
sonjakasten1
Should send a picture, it would help.
May 4, 2007 at 3:03 am
Gene Carrier
Picture
I need DNA test
I have researched eye scanning devises …
I am wondering if an eye scan could allow the same characteristics like finger prints are …….
I do not wish to impose on her ……
I have tried unsuccessfully to reach her ..
I contacted aa attorney who also wrote a book about her ..
There was a lot of attension in the beginning and then it became that he , the attorney athor is now not in contact with them ….
I think she is cutting anyone who is trying to help me gain contact with my birth daughter …
I have thought about this many times and with the internet is tghe only way that I have knowledge of her ..
I google searched Chritina Onassis sons and daughters ….
The trest of the story breaks my heart again …
Maybe she feels that I never came forward earlier in her life ..
I am planning to go to Greece and contest Christina’s will ….
It is my only option …
There is more to my plan but can not give away the details ….
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May 4, 2007 at 2:46 pm
sonjakasten1
A picture may move some people in order to go further on other tests. Neither finger prints nor eye scans can be linked in the way whatsoever to genetical relationships, it just says something about oneself. You may not contest Cristina’s will if you have no convincing proofs of a possible relationship with Athina, and even though, it will not go any further: as there has been no claim of fathership at the moment of birth, the mother is free to compose her will as she understands it. To prove fathership wouldn’t change anything regarding the fortune either as far as you are concerned. It would probably simply allow to get back the fortune to Greece as there would be support for the fact that Roussell has not followed the points of the will. As far as I see it. Although that depends on the support you get from interested parts.
May 9, 2007 at 4:04 pm
ADRIANA JIMENEZ
Dear Sonja
As you I am very interest in Onassis family. I will appreciate if you send to me your articles about it.
Thank you
ADRIANA JIMENEZ
May 31, 2007 at 6:28 am
G.P.
it is my fate to meet people from or related to this family!
May 31, 2007 at 6:30 am
G.P.
Why don’t you request in public that DNA testing?
June 14, 2007 at 2:12 am
G.C.
Please tell me how this could be done with DNA and what if Athina would not agree to the DNA test ..
I have been doing a lot of writing on my life with Christina and have show no one except a little bit here and there on the web ….
I have a lot of answers to some of my questions ……
I would like to go to Greece soon and the only thing I want to do on that trip is to lay some flowers on Christina’s grave and pray for her .
I will stop and talk to god and Christina …
The only question I have for Christina is why ….
I would love to talk with some of Christinas old friends and try to learn more about why it happened the way it did.
G.C.
June 14, 2007 at 2:45 pm
sonjakasten1
I got the address of someone who has known some people around Onassis and whose father was the owner of one of Onassis favourite restaurants. He’s Greek, lives in Athens and … speaks English (always an advantage). If you send me a valid e-mail address, I can send you his. Perhaps it may help.
June 17, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Gene Carrier
Things tell me that it must be true …..
Athina changing her name
Not inviting Thierry to her wedding
How could I get a DNA test done
I have been thinking of getting my own done and then presenting it to Athina and she could test mine in private with hers ….
One queestion keeps comming to mind is why my daughter did not look me up ….
If she knew then why hasn’t she cared enough to find me .
I only found out in the last two years .
It is much like the Anna Nichole Smith episode ..
I now know why I did not get any bookings in France .
I understand now about why a model could take Milan by storm and have 34 pages in every mens magazine in Italy in 1984 but received no bookings in Paris . I know now that it was a way to get me out of town ..
I have some stories about this and some old theory’s but I did not know about Athina and it was hidden from me .
I do believe that something fatal would have happened to me if I knew to contest the will back in 1988 ….
History shows that someone was pretty intent on getting her money and control of her estate .
No real investigation was launched in her behalf .
Pill bottles were removed and that was an obstruction to justice back when Christina died …
I am not even worried about writing this on an open website .
I can not say it to my daughter so I will say it here……….
June 25, 2007 at 11:40 pm
Jene Carrier
Gp
your comment of >>
Why don’t you request in public that DNA testing?
How would you attemp this ???
Any Ideas , My Idea is to hold a press confrence in Athens Greece
But it an idea and I have thought to go to an attorney in Greece and tell them my story and have them handel the press confrence part …
GC
June 26, 2007 at 1:22 am
sonjakasten1
I will have a look, whether I find a lawyer in Greece (there are many, but not all have the same reputation and influence) who you can send your request to. Think, on the other hand, that this page is public enough as there are at least 8-12 people a day who read exactly this article. In the meantime you can ask yourself what may move Athina Onassis to take such a step, it is easier for the time being, as it would be of her interest only if she is factually cut off her own fortune, which is very probable as the concerned quite bastards (I know about the ‘tranfer’ of the fortune through illegal arguments to Switzerland.) Now, there are rumours pretending that Athina’s fortune is none (you can read it in different articles in internet). Which mean perhaps that some xxx are already trying to convince the public opinion of the fact that she has nothing. Her own position is very weak, as she has never had access even to upper influent circles in France. Actually, I’m not sure she’d even find a lawyer to defend her case. I think the actual strategy should take into consideration these elements, before presenting it to a lawyer in Greece, who have all interest if their positive engagement implies the returning back of the fortune to the legal responsible. If I remember the name of one of those lawyers, I will write you an e-mail.
June 26, 2007 at 6:03 am
Jene Carrier
Poor Christina she was always trusting the wrong people .
I am sure there is something wrong because no one from her family actually investigated her death.
I would dediacte some millions into a cold case investigation on her behalf.
Still to this date no one not has done this , no countries were involved and no one from her family to my knowledge has chaged a investigation.
I have said before that I never knew about Athina untill recently and she was hidden from me .
If she is my child then she was stolen from me It is very clear to me from reading the book that Thierry had no interest sexually in Christina and the book even suggest that he loathed her , as distatefull as it sounds .
My idea ia to get the greek government involved in contesting the will of Christina Onassis in a greek court . One reason is so that greece would get their tax money that was missed out on when the estate and will was transferred and read in another country .
I have to get some evidence about Christina and I and I know just how to prove it as some of the models who were my friends back then are still around .I am going to get statements from them.
I can also get some other evidence as well.
They wanted me out of town so bad that I remember running into an editor of a french magazine on the streets of Paris and he said too bad that I was not available for a job on thursday . I told him I was available , he said acording to Thierry’s agency I was booked on another job . Well I went to a payphone and called the agency and I asked them to pull my card and see if thier was a hold on me for a job on Thursday , The booker told me no thier were no holds for me on that day , I asked them to double check and they still said no . I then told them that it was strange because I am with the editor and he says he wants me for a job I asked them to check again and then they came back with a reply like oh now I see the hold . I did the booking and it was the only print job that I recieved while in Paris . I went on to milan and did almost more campaynes than any other male model in history of fashion . I said before I had a record 34 pages for all the Italian designers that year .
I still have my portfolio from my modeling back in 1984.
Sincerely,
GC
June 27, 2007 at 5:27 am
Jene Carrier
Yes I think Christina Onassis was murdered
Christina Onassis murdered
The Christina Onassis murder
I believe that when she went to Argentina and was supposed to marry a man there and then came back to Europe told those close to her that she was going to be married again . I am sure that someone felt they were going to be cut from her will.
Also the fact that Athina would have gone with her mother to Argentina . Well I can’t imagine who was going to lose the most from this but it must have been someome very close to her or should I say close to her money …..
It is a very small world when you look from where I sit and I’m truely sorry Athina that it took me so long to figure it out but they did not have internet back in those days .
Christina Onassis was murdered
Christina Onassis murder
The murder of Christina Onassis
The greek government did nothing to investigate Christina Onassis murder
The French government did nothing to investigate Christina Onassis murder
The Swiss government did nothing to investigate Christina Onassis murder
The Argentinian government did nothing to investigate Christina Onassis murder..
would a murderer investigate his own murder???
July 12, 2007 at 9:09 pm
Jene Carrier
I was at a party in 1984 thrown by Thierry Roussel The owner of First Model Agency in Paris . Christina
Onassis was the only female there at this party along with 25 male models from Thierry’s agency … In paticual was one male model that connected with Christina Onassis at that party . I believe that this male model is the real father of Athina Onassis and not Thierry roussel.
I am wondering if Thierry and Athina have ever had a DNA test and I would bet money that no test have ever been done .. She doesn;t have blue eyes like Thierry and the face the eyes and the teeth and smile look exactly like this male model that connected with Christina at Thierry’s party ..
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August 6, 2007 at 4:14 pm
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[...] article on http://sonjakasten1.wordpress.com/2006/10/28/athina-onassis/ has effected a man called Gene Carrier to claim for Athina Onassis fathership. As there were many [...]
September 18, 2007 at 12:44 am
Jene carrier
Dear Sonja ,
Why have you taken the story down from the page that you had on my life story of the Fathership of Athina Onassis ?
Please explane , I gave you the story so that the world would know of my life and how Athina Onassis was stolen from me and used for the controll of her 2.7 billion dollar fortune .
Sincerley Jene Carrier
jene carrier at yahoo dot com
September 18, 2007 at 12:46 am
Jene carrier
(our personal researches allowed us to obtain these pictures showing a surprising similarity with Athina Onassis at more or less the same age) An article on http://www.sonjakasten1.wordpress.com (famous people/Athina Onassis) has effected a man called Gene Carrier to claim for Athina Onassis fathership. As there were many men who came forward in the case of Anna Nicole Smith’s daughter you may consider such a claim with greatest suspicion, even more so if there are 2.1 billion USD in the game. The information given by Gene Carrier is the following: he acertains having been a model at The First Agency in Paris owned by Thierry Roussell in 1984. Further he claims he was invited to a party with other models, party which was organized for Cristina Onassis in Paris. He maintains that Athina Onassis was conceived from an acquaintance resulting from this first meeting. A commenter, who later will claim having being personal body guard of Aristotelis Onassis, called Thanassis L, and actual owner of a travel agency, insists though on the fact that Cristina Onassis could not be involved in such kind of activity. â€..The parisian model is full of it..He has absolutely no valid proof to support his invalid statement. Christina Onassis was always a respectful Lady with manners, integrity and principals taught by her Mother and Father, ASO. I personally escorted Christina while in the old Olympic Airways Bdg on fifth Avenue, Manhattan,NYC. I went to lunches with her, banks, trips with her. At no time ever she acted in a disrespectful manner. She may have had a few disappointments in life just like every human on this planet. We all make mistakes during our lifes path. This yo-yo, so called model, malakas should be ashame to even post this untrue statement. She was not a whore. I dont even believe he met her or he was there unless he provides valid proof photo which I would test hightech screening if photo is valid. Captain Thanasis I am not being protective of Christina but having spent time with her I dont believe him. Gene Carrier provides though the following evidence: Another very relevant point is that you have to remember that it was Thierry Roussel agency that scouted me from Los Angeles and the timing of Christina weight reduction rehab … She was a shinning star the night I met her ..She was really at her best ,I was 28 years old and the man of the year …..Makes me think that it was somehow or some one had planned it this way ,,,,I have thought of this ,,bring in an outsider from another far away town and then control his work and force him out of town so to speak Then you get married and claim paternity of the worlds richest daughter Or it was this way that she met me and got pregnant and Thierry volunteered to marry Christina for reasons that a woman of her social status should not raise a child without a father The key is in finding out how far in advance the wedding was planned . I see the second theory and that it was planned in the usual Christina hurry ,, I was in shows for Christian Dior Jean Paul Gautier Thierry Muglar Hiroho Koshino All for winter season , This was in January in 1984 Just before her marriage to Thierry Roussel.The officel mag shot was in march April or June . I think I still have copies , I used that shot in my portfolio for many years Perci Attwood is the name of the editor I believe of Officel Homme I thought to try to buy back issue on the net but it could be easier for you since you are closer and you speak French I lived in one of the company apartment of First Models in Paris on Rue Faraday . Down the street from a famous French market . March des terns comes to mind but I could be wrong about the name of the market but Rue Faraday I will never forget …I visited this apartment last time I was in Paris … I will have to wait and try at least to gather other supporting evidence that I was there at that time in my life . I think I have passport stamps on my old passport .But the email letter from Patrizia from Milano is my best witness who puts me there at Thierry First Model Agency in 1984 .The video tapes of the Christian Dior shows would help with getting other models because I can’t even remember my room mates names in Paris , except one named Randal something I just don’t remember his second name . We went to the party together sharing a cab in Paris . I might be able to get it here in LA but not sure model agencies keep records that far back or would be willing to help or look for that matter …I need either my daughters cooperation in this matter or her DNA or some concrete evidence like a living close friend to Christina ..Maybe this Basauldo character would know about me , it was in his apartment one of the times I met Christina . It was funny cause I asked her why here , she apologizes is all I will say about that encounter Maybe Basauldo will come forward ,,can you find him ??? I will try for my ex roommate Randal _____ Blank still on the last name +++ When checking out Thierry Mugler say that you are writing something on christina Onassis and their Tenth anniversary falls on the year that Thierry Roussel was married to Christina Onassis and you want to use photos from his show archives to illustrate how fashion looked in that year . or something to that effect and if Christina Onassis was at any of the shows Their guest book would reflect that ..tell them it would be good publicity for them if she was and even better if she was photographed at the show . It would put us in the same room and who knows maybe this is where she saw me and pursued me maybe . she was the richest girl in the world at this time and she could arrange just about anything in her day as princess Christina… Dear Sonja, My Dying Wish Is to be buried next to Christina Onassis and I want to get this part of the fighting for what is rightfully mine , That is about Athina being my daughter …. She was stolen from me without my knowledge , what I am sorry for is taking so long to figure it out . I carried this with me for so many years and it always seemed that their was no way for me to get any information ..Information ,,it is so important this word .I felt in my heart some kind of connection and I told a friend about my affair but I used the name Princess and never used the Onassis name , They never doughted me then that I had an affair with a Princess . That Pricess was Christina when she shown like a brilliant star that evening a the party .Sonja lets see what you can do , I am ready to do battle for my daughter .I remember the scene of Christina and her best friend from Argentina met on the court house steps and fell into each others arms and cried and forgave each other . I some how figure that she had something to do with covering up Christina’s death ..removing pill bottles from her room. Just a feeling I get when I examine that bit of information..The most damaging part of Christina’s death is the fact that Thierry never investigated the death of Chritina Onassis..Sincerely, Jene carrier+++ Dear Sonja, Another thought that just came to is the fact that if Thierry Roussel is not the biological father of Athina , then he had no business filing the will or Christina Onassis ..no matter what country he filled the will in it could be contested . For reasons that he is not blood related to Athina and he was in fact divorced from Christina at the time . He had no rights to file and it will be contested on these grounds. And this is the most relevant point I can make in the case . It gives me right to contest the will of Christina Onassis …. As I have last said I want to do this in connection and with Athina . I do not want to do anything against her or her interest … There has got to be a way that we could work together on this .I have read about Alvero and happy for her about marriyng this man .It is he who helped her about this bad business with Thierry Roussel and it was Alvero He has been a good factor in Athina’s life and I see it for the merits that he has brought forward and the support he gave Athina through getting Thierry Roussel Out of Athina’s business.. Sincerely, Gene Carrier He finds confirmation of his sayings in e-mail exchange with owner of model agency in Milano Patrizia: Gene Writes Dear Patrizia, I am wondering if you remember anything about Paris agency where you found me. The reason is this I need proof that I was working for Thierry Roussel’s First model agency in Paris 1984 . You see one of my Children I believe is Athina Onassis and it would help me greatly to prove some certain facts . If you are not afraid to come forward and give a statement for the record . I would respect any choice you make in this matter . Sincerely, Gene Carrier++++ gene CarrierPatrizia Writes & Personal info like email removed …. dear Gene,I remember you were working for karin men when I found you in Paris but beside that I don’t understand which kind of records I could give you…..Explain me better..ciao !!!!!To: Patrizia Sent: Subject: Patrizia, I guess you do not remember as well as me . I was in the office of first model agency and you asked me for some original photo’s from my portfolio and I said I would give you some zerox copies . I looked up to the wall were the zerox copies were because of the shows going on and the bookers had no way to remember so many models who had arrived for the shows in Paris . The copies were taken down from the walls and I asked the bookers where mine were and they said the trash bin , I dug the photo’s out of the trash bin knocked off the cigarette ashes from the photos and those were the photo’s that you took . I got a call from you to do the Lucano Soprani campaign and that was how I got my first booking in Milano . Do you remember the trash bin part . Well this all happened at First model agency and I want to prove the paternity of Athina Onassis and if you do not want to help me find my daughter then you can always say that you do not wish to be involved . I will understand . I think I still have a couple of head shots from the beginning with First models printed on my cards . here is a little bit of my story ,,,,,,I was at a party in 1984 thrown by Thierry Roussel The owner of First Model Agency in Paris . Christina Onassis was the only female there at this party along with 25 male models from Thierry agency In particular was one male model that connected with Christina Onassis at that party . I believe that this male model is the real father of Athina Onassis and not Thierry roussel. I am wondering if Thierry and Athina have ever had a DNA test and I would bet money that no test have ever been done .. She doesn;t have blue eyes like Thierry and the face the eyes and the teeth and smile look exactly like this male model that connected with Christina at Thierry s party .. I believe what the rest of the would believes about Thierry and that he married Christina for her money . maybe he set it up to marry her with reasons like that a woman of her stature should not have a baby out of wedlock or that it would be good for the child to have a father as the father once she found out she was pregnant…Since her tragic death and the mystery surronding her death this could be one of the secrets to the Onassis heir Is there a way to get this message to Athina ??? I would like her to know since she has had so many problems with Thierry and it might set her free from her bad past with him , especially if it trues out that a DNA would prove that Thierry is not the real Father of Athina .I have kept another secret for all these years ,, I was that model in 1984 in Paris and worked for Thierry Roussel First Model Agency and he had a party one night and there were 25 of us male models and only one female there , her name was Christine and only one model had an affair with her and yes that model was me Turns out that Thierry married Christine Onassis and Christine had a child Athina Onassis ,, The poor little rich girl was the title people gave her Funny thing is she looks a lot like me too hair line ,Eyes , eye brows and also the teeth Recently I searched her and found out she paid Thierry 84 or 100 million dollars to go away ? Was that some sort of settlement ,,, why would she do that if he was her real father ???Could she have found out something that the rest of the world does not know ?? All I am saying is that she does not look like Thierry Roussel and have told a couple of people this story and they all say the same thing , that they never thought she looked at all like Thierry as well.Its not records that I am looking for just a statement that you remember the first time we met at first agency . My memory is perfect and I did later work for karins agency but the First Model Agency is where we met . Thank you so much, gene Carrier .Sorry, I did a mistake with the name of the agency but as you know it was 23 years ago and from when I started this business 25 years ago, I saw many agencies, bookers changing name and agencies so being not so important to me its easy to forget some passages !!!!!Any way your story its interesting but I don’t know how I can help you to prove it..the only thing I can guarantee it is that I met you there that’s it !!!!!Keep me update when you have news.ciao+++Here is a conversation with Patricia from Milan Italy, she is the person who discovered me in Paris at Thierry Roussel and this places me inside the agency . This is my proof , her English is not clear but she say that’s it Quote :..the only thing I can guarantee it is that I met you there that’s it !!!!! …..Meaning the only thing she can guarantee is she met me at First Agency in Paris 1984……Do you think this is enough for me to get a n attorney with ?? Please advise me I can not wait until September ..I have waited to long to come forward already .. Sincerely , Gene Carrier PS . You never answered me about some of the private email that you must have received on this article. And seems to find proof of pressure made on people surrounding Athina Onassis, through the sudden change of mood of someone called Mantheakis and next to the Onassis family: Jean, I was away for a couple of weeks and could not access my email. Regarding the subject you have mentioned – I have carefully read what you wrote and would advise you to tread very carefully because this will create a lot of discussion in the press and it is very likely, I think, that there may be a reaction from Athina’s lawyers. Of course you are free to act as you wish, according to what you really believe. I for my part have received no reply from the family and cannot push this matter further – I am an outsider and have no say, obviously. You must understand this. All I can say is that your message will get through to Athina, after your contact with me, one way or another. Sincerely Alexis Mantheakis +++I have read your emails carefully and your story surprises me very much. Nothing of this sort has ever been mentioned in the past, nor have these claims ever been heard before. Athina has definitely never spoken to me about something like this. It would be useful if you could a) send me an address and a phone number for yourselfb) tell me where you are living at the momentc) send me a photo of yourself.d) tell me more about yourself, what you are doing now etc Regarding the story I will see that your emails are passed on to Athina’s people. Alexis Mantheakis+++Just as I have told you ……Dear Mr Carrier,I have received your emails and would like to say that unfortunately I can be of no help as I am not in contact any more with Athina or her family, nor do I have any personal knowledge of the events that you describe . I cannot advise you of how to proceed because I am unaware of the legal and other mechanics of these matters. I would therefore suggest that you speak to someone who is competent and can set this matter to rest. rgds Alexis Mantheakis+++ Seen the amount of information hinting to proof Gene Carrier’s reliability, it would be of need to ask M Thierry Roussel to justify his fatherhood through DNA test. Relevant information on those quite interesting happenings will be published in time. *** All rights reserved. Exclusivity of story is owned by Sonja Kasten.
sincerley jene carrier at yahoo dot com
November 16, 2007 at 4:47 am
Gene carrier
Don’t you think this strange that I was drawn to this page exactly 18 years and one day after the death of Christina Onassis
Looking back another one year later..
Gene Carrier
November 26, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Gene Carrier
Today I ask for forgiveness to Athina for going public .
All other attempts have failed and I really know no other way to try to reach her .
I ask her to forgive me for leaving her fallen forever…
I am the one who missed ot on her childhood so I have lost that feeling forever.
Sincerely,
Gene Carrier
December 4, 2007 at 6:57 am
Gene Carrier
Happy anniversary Athina and Alvero ,
I am really happy that you two married and that Alvero is a good man.
His actions speak louder than words .
I respect you husband and would never say anything against him because he has proven himself to be a good person with your interest in his heart. He is the only person who has helped you defeat Thierry Roussel .
He stood by you throughout that whole ordeal and by helping you he has proved himself a man …..
I hope that you both will remain happily married .
I am sorry that I could not be there on that day .
Dec. 3 2007
Sincerely,
Gene Carrier
April 28, 2008 at 4:41 am
Andonis
What is this nonsence? We all know, when, by whom, and how Athina was conceived. Why r u allowing this apparent psychopath, to make his lunatic rants here. Let him explain his fantasies to a psychiatrist. Please block the Psyco, it is very insulting.
Athina has a beautiful legacy, she has inherited from her mothers side. Who knows, maybe the genes of the pirate/playboy Roussel, mix well w/ the Onassis/Livanos genes. So far she is very beautiful, sensual, warm, and intelligent. It’s dissapointing she fell for the same type of suitors, that constantly took advantage of her mother. I just hope, and pray that Athina w/ eventually see through the brain washing Roussel inflicted on her, and the pain, and embarasing way (to everyone but him) of how he used Christina, just about charging ($) for every tryst, and kiss, even while married. What a scum bag…pure garbage. Another loser, like Andreadi, and both their fathers that the Onassis pocketbook, had to apparently bail out.
April 29, 2008 at 3:25 am
Sonja Kasten
I hope you don’t mean you were there the day it happened. It’s of evidence that there may always be doubts concerning a fathership, and that someone should always be left free to claim, and to pay if his claim is not corresponding to reality, were it just because of the fuzz he’s made all around.
Strange contradiction you fall into while maintaining on the one hand that it is a good inheritance in Roussel, and then that ‘Athina had her brain washed by a scum bag and pure garbage’, who is supposed to be the same person.
See, it’s sometimes difficult to understand what happens behind four walls, but seeing the kind of giggolo Roussel was I may figure out what kind of father he may have been. Perhaps Athina’d be horribly happy to get rid of such … father, were it through some well brought suspicion.
Strangely, you seem to consider that Doda is of the same kind than her father, which does though not seem to me very appropriate to be said for a given relationship. Athina has cut all relationships with her presumed father who was not even invited to her marriage, but is still living with her husband.
Would you say it makes of you a psyco? It’s insulting without there being any claim behind. Understand why I don’t mind Carrier saying what he thinks or believes? Doing so may imply to cut your comments, too.
May 1, 2008 at 3:21 am
Hercules
One thing is for sure and you are right that Thierry Roussel was not invited to Athina’s wedding . She divorced Roussel by taking the Roussel family name off. You don’t take off your name unless Mr Roussel is not the biological father.The reason being that Mr. Roussel was after Athina’s money is not a reason great enough for Athina to take his name off from her chain of names . Could it be that Athina finally figured it out that Mr. Roussel was not her biological father. Could she have doubt about the way he handled her mother Christina’s death and never insisted on have an inquiry to her death and the fact there was never an investigation to her death either. You do not pay off your father a reported 84 to 100 million dollars just to take his name off a power of attorney that Mr Roussel had held for Athina. It is known that the power of attorney came after Athina turned 18 years old and at about age 20 she paid Mr. Roussel the 84 to 100 million dollars to get her power of Attorney dissolved . Her husband Doda is the one who helped her to gain the power of her own estate back. That is the action of a true husband and a gentleman as well. There is something more there than we all know about . Some very dark family secret . Maybe Mr. Roussel was to expose the real father of Athina and that is why she paid such a high price to dissolve the power of attorney . As far as I know and I am not an attorney but I don’t think you have to pay such a price to have a power of attorney annulled or dissolved, I think you just order a recind of that order and there is nothing anyone in the position of current power of attorney can do about it. . Suspicious about the model , who knows but I will say it seems that Mr. Roussel did own a modeling agency in that time and this so called model did back his story up with testimony from an Italian model agent named Patrizia that confirmed him being discovered at Mr. Roussel’s First Model’s agency . The story does have credibility. There are story’s of how Christina liked other male models and Polo players so you have to say anything is possible.
Adonis your statement of : We all know, when, by whom, and how Athina was conceived.
The fact is we all do not know .
Have you seen any DNA reports that the rest of us haven’t seen??
Sonja kasten has called for Mr. Roussel to stand up and deliver a DNA report and there has been no response from Mr. Roussel publicly to date regarding this matter. As he did not publicly call for an investigation to Christina Onassis death when she died.
May 2, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Sonja Kasten
Concerning the fact of keeping Onassis’s name, I don’t think it is in any case related to a possible ambiguous fathership. Cristina gave over the child to Roussel under the condition it should wear the name Onassis and the infringement of this may have as consequence hers not inheriting of the Foundation.
The fact that two conditions as given sine qua non in testament clauses, to say ‘that she had to speak Greek’ and ‘keep the name Onassis’, were not kept by Roussel (the first is a fact, as she didn’t speak a word of Greek) and the second attempted by Roussel, which he factually never managed to do, may more say about possible links and payments on the side of the Foundation to Roussel in order to rob her out of her property.
As far as I know, Athina paid for claims of Roussel as father, in the meaning that he was in the right of some part of the inheritance as having taken care of hers for so many years.
I don’t ask for Roussel to deliver a DNA report which is none of my concern, in fact, I just left Gene Carrier express what he ment to say freely, without – quite honestly – give too much credit to his words at first.
Puzzled by the whole, I started though some personal investigations on the subject (you can have a look at in http://www.paramana.wordpress.com / the Athina Onassis affair ), which had as result that I started thinking there may be more than you may imagine at first glance behind the whole.
More interesting than the fathership question seemed to me though the obvious usurpation of the Onassis fortune by those who were supposed to keep the administration of the Foundation. At the end it seems as if both could be linked.
May 3, 2008 at 5:10 am
Hercules
Concerning the fact of keeping Onassis’s name, I don’t think it is in any case related to a possible ambiguous fathership. Cristina gave over the child to Roussel under the condition it should wear the name Onassis and the infringement of this may have as consequence hers not inheriting of the Foundation.
Athina is not an IT as you referred to her as.
It is in regards to her getting rid of the ROUSSEL name not the ONASSIS name.
Prey tell why she kept the Roussel name and later had removed the name Roussel. Onassis is not in question and she still wears the name Onassis so please do not try to confuse the issue here.
You are only speculating on your comment and trying to sound as if you are an authority of Onassis . Also Christina did not give over the child to Roussel , Christina died and it was on that fatal trip to Argentina that Athina who was suffering from a cold and it was decided that Athina was not well enough to travel and would join Christina later in Argentine after she recovered from her cold.Athina was in Roussel possession and possession is 9 tenths of the law.
Meaning that if Roussel had the child in his possession when Christina died then there would be on one to challenge the receivership of Athina .No One ecept Mr. carrier and it would be interesting to find out why he did not challenge Roussel at the time when Christina died .
As far as I know, Athina paid for claims of Roussel as father, in the meaning that he was in the right of some part of the inheritance as having taken care of hers for so many years.
Roussel was paid $ 1.4 million per year for him and also $6 million per year for the care of Athina which I am sure he spent on himself and his family .Remember Roussel even put Athina in Public schools so she would not get a good education as she deserved . $6 million per year for 20 years is 120 million and 1.4 million if invested with a modest interest rate is 78 million that is to say if he did not spend it and collected interest on the money since he was spending the $6 million a year that the trust provided for Athina .Then there is the reported 84 to 100 million Athina paid him to relinquish the power of attorney that she signed to him when she turned 18 years of age , Remember it is Law that a minor under the age of 18 can not sign a legal document .Lets just call it 78 million plus 120 million and for the sake of math call it 80 million .that is still 278 million dollars that he was paid during the 20 years that he raised Athina Onassis. My own accounting may not be correct but it is close I assure you .
As for the foundation it is under my understanding that they made their own rules about what the conditions were to if Athina or any heir should speak Greek not Aristotle Onassis .The foundations rules and here is where Athina should challenge the foundation .
May 4, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Sonja Kasten
1. Sorry, but in English a child is neither male nor female, thus ‘it’, correctly.
2. A testament exists made by Cristina before her death, where the conditions under which Athina will stay with Roussel are determined. And among these, there is the keeping of the name Onassis
3. I’m not trying to look as if I were an authority on anything – this is what you’re trying to do. To be honest, my information arrives from public greek tv channels, which perhaps are authorities.
4. I don’t really care about the amount Roussel was paid, as in any case it does just mean he hadn’t means by himself to feed the child. Such a shame. The reasons why finally Roussel was paid a certain sum at the end, are, to my understanding, secondary considerations – although, were I Athina, I would claim it back for irresponsible dealing with testamentary clauses.
5. The Foundation changed the rules just after Athina became 21 – such an accident. From a legal point of view, they’re though not the owners of the Foundation and on top, the testament of Onassis, they claim to respect, is followed by the one of Cristina, which is never mentioned, and which should be the last authority on the subject as she the legal inheritor of the whole.
May 19, 2008 at 7:30 am
Question
Does anyone believe any of this BS.
Is those one of those fake role model sites where the person is acting like this happened to them????
May 26, 2008 at 3:17 am
In heavens name
Why did this Mr. Carrier not take an advocate to fight for his so called daughter Athina Onassis when she was three years old after Christina’s death?
That is the question I would pose to Mr. Carrier, if he could please answer my question I would be interested to hear his answer.
May 26, 2008 at 3:29 am
In heavens name
15.000 people have read this Blog and I wonder why there is not a greater comments response to what is being said here.
It took me quite a while to get through this but maybe people are not reading the whole story.
Why haven’t Athina Onasis attorneys taken action against this .
Could it be true so therefore the Onassis Attorneys have stood down on Mr carrier’s claims.
If it were false this person could be traced through his IP address and prosecuted for perjury or slander.
15.000 is a major exposure and many people must be wondering why this blog is in existence to this date with no evidence backing up the claim.
May 26, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Sonja Kasten
Actually, 4,628 visits on this post. Luckily people are interested by other subjects, too. As you say though, a major exposure anyhow. May a silence be some kind of evidence, too? Perhaps they think nobody is going to pay attention until it is too late. Even if there is no further evidence, you may though say there are enough hints backed in memory. The subject is further developped in http://www.paramana.wordpress.com / the athina onassis affair. Perhaps it gives an answer, too, on why GC did not claim for his fathership earlier.
Ah. I wrote a letter myself to Athina Onassis attorneys in London, address which I got through a greek family friend. I made even attempts to get some direct contact to Athina Onassis herself, through some brazilian neighbour. Both failed. I thus didn’t feel any justified reason to bother Gene Carrier in the free expression of his thoughts.
June 13, 2008 at 6:27 am
SirLord
http://www.csisaopaulo.com/en/index.php
This link is the CSI Onassis Equestrian Show in San Paulo Brazil and you or Mr. carrier could write Athina here at this address on the link .There is a contact on the web page.
Sir Lord
June 13, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Sonja Kasten
Thank you. I’ll see what I can do.
June 17, 2008 at 1:58 am
BSM
I believe the man to be very unstable. He believes my grandson is his son. He has caused the family great problems. After DNA proved my grandson, Cody Dix is not his son, he continues to harrass the estranged mother. The Dix Grandparents have been coeresed by Gene O’Leary, alias Jene Carrier, alias xxxx Johnny Harden 1970’s and has been allowed to see my grandson. I am concerned for my Grandson as this man was a xxxx. I requested him not to see my 13 year old grandson. He insisted seeing him for his birthday June 1, 2008.
June 17, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Sonja Kasten
Why was he allowed to see your grandson if DNA proves there is no legal claim possible? He actually told me in one e-mail, he had been given legal permission to visit one of his children. Actually, the truth of his claims on this affair is of importance for the rest of his claims – and he has been given legal backing without proofs? It’s an evidence that the fact of not being able to express himself correctly does not make of him someone unstable.
June 18, 2008 at 5:24 am
BSM
The Grandparents and Father allowed the visit. He had no legal permission to visit my grandson. It was Cody’s birthday. The legal claim is possibly his infant son, Stevie. He has no legal backing and the DNA proved he is not the Father of Cody.
He believes there are characteristics of Cody that are an image of him. There are some including hands. Cody is the image of his Mother. He will not accept the truth, Cody is not his son. Cody does not need to be given expensive gifts from a so called friend.
July 30, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Gene Carrier
After a short time away from your Blog I have read what is going on here and will not comment on the content above.
I will say that I was surprised when I received an invitation to the CSI event on July 16 2008.
I wrote them back and declined the invitation because my passport has expired.
I have renewed my passport and will be planing a trip to Greece in the near future.
My plan is to visit Christina’s grave in person and pray for her soul and to say a prayer for myself that I might be able to meet my daughter one day. I am not going to tell anyone that I am Athina’s father ,I am just going to mention that I was a very dear friend of Christina Onassis and would like to visit her final resting place and say a prayer for her.
Its simple and I hope that I will succeed in this small little request ..
The subject of Money always seems to interfere with my plans or hopes or dreams in relation to meeting my daughter…..People only think about money and put that before all……I have done well enough on my own and even though Christina left provisions for Athina’s father 1.4 million for the rest of her father’s life , I am still alive ………….it will have to be up to her to decide if she wants to honor her mother “Christina’s ” will and last testament .. Oh yes and it will have to be up to me weather to accept it or not .I have a four year old son who I would like to see that he is well taken care of if I do not live long enough to ensure his future. I also have some Orphan’s in a small village in mind who could use some help as I have helped them in the past in a small way.
I will also go on the 18 of November 2008, “the 20 th year of Christina’s passing ” and with that I will have a chance at meeting my daughter Athina and to be able to look at her eyes one time in my life.
The curse of the Onassis is the money because everyone puts that Onassis money before the thought that a father would like to meet his daughter.
Sincerely,
Gene carrier
December 16, 2008 at 12:59 am
DitsAccituH
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December 17, 2008 at 5:18 am
callas'secret
Maria Callas and Aristo Onassis did indeed have an offspring! The child was born in Paris in 1967 and is now living a carefree life in the United States. The whole world never knew, except a privilaged few. I think this young man likes it this way and it shall remain so. He has all the money happiness can by and by living his life in obscurity, is quite happy! Let the hunt begin!
December 17, 2008 at 5:08 pm
Sonja Kasten
44 years old she had a child?
January 30, 2009 at 1:46 pm
GMT
Funny stories out there. Just have a trip to Switzerland to have all your answers and to stop going into such nonsenses
What you can imagine about this family reading news magazines or watching TV is far far far from the truth ; the problem is that this truth is as interesting as your own life and nobody would write anything about it. That would be so boring
February 1, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Gene carrier
You should read all my emails and comments and try to reconstruct the STORY …
From the beginning please
This would be a real challenge for you Sonja.
I have read all your other subjects , Like Is it real,The worst cards in his hands ect.
You need to reflect and reconstruct the story as a whole works.
You may get some of the answers that you would like to know.
I would like to read what you could write.
Gene
February 2, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Sonja Kasten
Indeed I have worked out the whole story again as you can see in
http://onathinaonassis.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/pornography-to-feed-parisian-modelling-market/
http://onathinaonassis.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/well-dressed-giggolo-of-dubious-taste/
http://onathinaonassis.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/a-shameless-pretension/
http://onathinaonassis.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/yellow-press-in-support-of-mafia/
I hope you like it.
February 10, 2009 at 5:54 am
Gene carrier
Shanghai
February 20, 2009 at 5:10 am
Ward Lear
I knew Gene back in the day. I hate to agree with him, but yes, I see features in her that belong to him. It would be more evident, I believe, if you saw pictures of him from 20 years ago when I knew him. I don’t believe he’s after money (he was quite well off when I knew him), so maybe he does only want to be acknowledged as her father.
Gene – just post a pic from 1989 or earlier and settle this.
March 16, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Sir Lord
thierry.roussel@sun.com
This may be worth a try when you say you want answers Gene or Jene Carrier
Why don’t you contact Thierry Roussel himself..
I found this address under GMT and it seems someone hacked his system on his GMT fund that he manages.
Did you have something to do with that Gene?
March 20, 2009 at 2:53 am
Athina
I wish you dead Mr. Carrier for bringing this story into public the way you have.
March 25, 2009 at 3:22 am
Sir Lord
Thierry Roussel
Sun Microsystems email: thierry.roussel@sun.com
180 Avenue de L’Europe tel: +33 476 18 8064 (X 38064)
ZIRST Montbonnot
38334 Saint Ismier Cedex fax: +33 476 18 8080
May 1, 2009 at 8:53 am
Greg
What a laugh…a perfect conclusion with “Athina” answering on an obscure blog that she wishes dead the imposter/real father that she has ignored for so many years. Why didn’t she just call him and say, ’shut up’!!
I’m sure the Greek lawyers who used every tactic they could think of to keep her money would not have left an obvious ’stone’ like that unturned.
Mr O’Leary, the successful model from Italy who couldn’t get a job in Paris, after lamenting these past years over Athina’s disregard for her ‘real’ father finally gets an invitation to attend her namesake event and can’t go because his passport is expired. One thing I do believe is true, the guy DEFINITELY lives in Hollywood.
May 1, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Sonja Kasten
Mind the obscure blog, it has already over 32.000 visits. For the rest, I may agree …
May 7, 2009 at 12:34 am
Richard Twrill
I’m sure the Greek lawyers who used every tactic they could think of to keep her money would not have left an obvious ’stone’ like that unturned.
What it seems is you have done no research on the subject and are making unfounded statements based on emotional statements .
I have know Gene for 15 years and go back in his career as a model and I do believe his story . Also if you knew anything about him you would know that the Onassis attorneys would purposely not contact him because of the 10% they would have to pay out of Athinas estate for patromony payments by Greek law.
May 7, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Sonja Kasten
I may not think, Greek law would have to pay for two fathers. Would this not imply, if ever recognized, Roussel would have to pay back his 10%?
May 9, 2009 at 6:55 am
Richard Twrill
One thing is sure by reading your moderation comments is that you are not an attorney nor do you have any understanding of Gene or the life that he has lived. It is very apparent by the demeanor of your comments . I have been following this blog for sometime now and have been reluctant to make comments here but this is really bothering me what is being said about the man Gene Carrier having know him personally for and following his career for the last 15 years .
May 9, 2009 at 7:29 am
Greg
Ok so not Wikipedia but not “obscure” either…as for Gene’s ’story,’ how exactly did this revelation come to light? Visit by the Archangel Gabriel perhaps? Are we to believe Mr O’Leary suddenly, after 20 years of silence, remembered that he had had a relationship with her mother around the time she became pregnant and finally put 2 and 2 together?
Also, when I said that the Greek lawyers would not have left any stone unturned I meant that they would have checked out M. Roussel’s DNA prior to agreeing that he get anything from her estate. Or do you think they just paid M. Roussel to keep the conspiracy of silence intact?
Mr O’Leary seems to me to be, and granted I have never met him, a classic narcissist who is primarily concerned with drawing attention to himself and probably really doesn’t care about the money. In fact, I would say that he would have paid to have this attention if he had had to do so. He obviously could care less about the memory of Christine Onassis by dragging her reputation through the mud, despite his protestations otherwise. He should be prosecuted for fraud but will likely get away with making these outrageous claims because he hasn’t asked for a paycheque, yet.
I believe Athina could accomplish great things for Greek culture as the director of the Onassis Foundation but hucksters like Mr O’Leary who obsess over her can only work to distract her into the role of reclusive celebrity. Have some shame Mr O’Leary.
May 9, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Sonja Kasten
For Richard: I’m certainly no attorney, just a humble webpage maker with a lot of fantasy. But concerning my attitude towards O’Leary, I may think it is no behaviour to appear after 20 years and make terrible claims on fatherships without considering given situations. It’s ethics and certainly not personal. It does certainly not affect your friendship.
On the other hand, I can’t but consider the quite entangled legal situation, which could of interest, too.
For Greg: I wouldn’t say Wikipedia is ‘obscure’ either, and according to actual standards, I would have to say my own writings, considering mostly subjective appreciations and popular opinions, as rather more ‘obscure’ than wikipedia, that usually tries to keep quite healthy objective parameters, so that, for sure, this story would have never appeared there.
Concerning the ‘appearing’ of such a revelation it is necessary to say that things are always inside of a ‘may be possible’, thing we can’t neglect. He himself gives further details on the foundation of his believes in http://www.onathinaonassis.wordpress.com (Interview to Ta Nea tis Lefkadas).
Presonally I don’t think that a glamorous love story with a Parisian model throws Cristina’s reputation to the mud, as, personally, I would have considered her engagement with Roussel mostly lacking of taste. Don’t forget Lady Chatterley (!!)
And concerning the acceptation of Roussel’s fathership it may be just legal: (DNA tests were rare 25 years ago and are not accepted as proof in Greece) – Roussel could claim to be married to Cristina at those times and the legal fatherhood is the only one that is actually considered in Greece. The interesting point is that Greek law does only accept three marriages and this was already a fourth one. Thing why O’Leary’s claim becomes an almost fascinating legal question.
And it is true that A Onassis may make many things as head of the Foundation, but I actually don’t think O’Leary is avoiding that the way whatsoever. On the contrary: the presidence of the Foundation was not given over to Athina because of an illegal decision of the Board, and actually, sometimes you ask yourself to which extent the appearing of a brand new father may not shake given situations.
Honestly: don’t you think it sometimes appear as if a handful of lawyers had been eating up great sums in order to just make Athina loose her rights on almost everything? With or without O’Leary…
May 10, 2009 at 7:14 am
Greg
Not to belabor the point but I was contrasting the non-obscurity of Wikipedia, with probably 32000 + hits per day, with the 32000 stated total hits here. But nevertheless, not obscure to us, but perhaps to Athina, you would know.
A ‘love story” is a rather bizarre description wouldn’t you say? Mr O’Leary aka Gene Carrier aka Johnny Harden is plastered all over the internet as the “gay porn star”. Despite her several marriages Christina Onassis was not noted to be into having ‘alternative’ sexual trysts. Granted that those stuffy Foundation lawyers would not want their founder’s only granddaughter to have been conceived via an affair with a gay porn star but surely they would have not kept silent as Roussel moved Athina’s considerable wealth out of Greece, had they known otherwise. They had no trouble saying that she was not Greek, uneducated and therefore unworthy of taking the reins at the foundation.
I do agree that the lawyers have played dirty by changing the wishes of Christina, who inserted the clause about the presidency needing to be given to an Onassis heir on their 21st birthday, but I think that may be more to protect it from non-Greek hands than to go on a spending spree. They were established by Christina who distrusted Roussel enough to have them as guardians.
The foundation would be much better served if Athina was at the helm since it is a vehicle for the Onassis family to benefit Greek culture and no bureaucracy can replace an heir. She would be spending her own money but they are trying to run it as a business. The lawyers are worried about all the programs and income streams they’ve set up and think that she will change all that. I don’t think it was their moral right to change an article of the foundation against the family but I’m sure they acted legally. Athina will need to play their game if she ever wants to be head of the organization. Maybe they will let her in if they think she will continue the path they have set out.
Mr O’Leary can only ever be a hinderance to Athina reclaiming her heritage. She will never add credibility to his claim by contacting him, even if it was credible, which it isn’t. I don’t believe a gay porn star had sex with her mother, one of the richest women in the world, heard she had a baby nine months later, didn’t make the connection for 20 years, wasn’t contacted by Christina to at least secure his silence about the truth, then when he is living in the shadow of his former fame, remembers and comes forward just to say hi. Call me a skeptic if you will.
May 10, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Sonja Kasten
You’ll finish by guessing that the ‘obscure’ has little to do with hits but with contents …
Well, from her point of view, it was a love affair as she was not supposed to know about his past (actually he took a few ‘random’ pictures at the age of 18 before he was engaged as a model). And actually, if you seriously consider the whole, it looks more than possible: apparently Roussel, in knowledge of his past, hired him for Paris, threw a few parties, where Cristina met O’Leary and couldn’t stop a ‘deeper’ engagement, pushes him out of Paris and confronts Cristina to ‘evidence’ that obliges her to look for an alternative solution once she discovers she is pregnant.
As far as I know, she mentions Roussel as tutor for Athina in her will, and wills are determining legal texts in Greece.
The decision of the board is consequently illegal: actually they base themselves on dispositions of Aristotelis will, that (they mean, as the text is cut) allow them to take decisions of that kind. Aristotelis will looses its power with Cristina’s will, where you can’t find any permission whatsoever allowing to change whatever.
If you put things one beside the other, you must take her seriously concerning her dispositions on Athina, whoever the father (it’s her right) but then also, concerning her dispositions on the Foundation.
Actually I don’t think she has to follow guide lines as given: if you are a little bit strict, she can even dissolve the Foundation or change all members of the board. It’s not that difficult: it’s just to find a few ‘illegal’ happenings that may justify it. And I’m more than sure there are, seen the nature of the ‘gang’, call it ‘club’ if you don’t like the first.
From a legal point of view I did personally not see how O’Leary’s claim may change the situation the way whatsoever, but I always think this kind of claims may be badly misused for own purposes. It’s subjective, I’m personally wicked like that.
May 10, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Sonja Kasten
To tell you the truth, I started taking O’Leary seriously because it seemed (if what he said was true) it could justify an accusation of conspiracy against fortune as much of Roussel’s side as of the members of the board. And thought it grave enough as possibility so as to let the man talk and start a few investigations myself.
May 11, 2009 at 6:40 am
Richard Twrill
Gene is far from Gay as you say Greg . As I have known him for years know first hand that Gene has exclusively slept with girls. I have met some of his girlfriends and he is as straight as they come. He did do some straight adult films for the diamond collection and even had a cameo roll in “Behind The Green Door”
He says he never even watched that film. He also did some pictures of himself alone or solo for the gay market and it is the gay market that has labeled him as a gay star to sell their product of these pictures. He also did a centerfold for Playgirl September 1980 for the female market. He told me that he did that to further his career as an actor as he was trying to become an actor and a model in 1980. It was his unfortunate luck that the month and year he did the playgirl spend that the writers union decided to strike and all the auditions that Gene went to were not hiring because of the strike . You can research this to find the truth about the strike in September of 1980 .In 1983 Gene was working for the Playboy modeling agency of Hugh M. Hefner’s when Gene was discovered to go to Paris for the fashion shows in 1984. Now I ask you what Fashion scout from Paris would go to a Playboy model agency to look for a male model? All of the models at Playboy were mostly girls with very large Breast . This tells me what Sonja has come up with is correct and that Thierry Roussel had come looking for the right candidate for some strange plan of his as to what do do with Christina Onassis since Thierry did not want to really be with her or conceive a child with her.. Thieirry Roussel was paid 30 million dollars to marry Christina Onassis and it would seem to me that he would have married her for much less unless he and Christina had some secret that would be worth such a large sum of money . Thierry Roussel is the one who leaked out the amount of 30 million and I believe he was quite proud of that amount for a marriage . Gene has told me that he thinks Athina had contacted him once in 2005 or 2006 and the the conversation’s he described I would have to say that it was indeed Athina but I am not sure. It could have been some writer to try to get to him to tell his story.It was from Belgem that much I do know becauce he showed me a couple of the emails and I did some research on the IP address from the sender and it really did come from Belgium that much I can say for sure. They had asked him to come to Belgium but he was skeptical and was worried it was a trap from Mr. Roussel or someone who wanted to harm him for trying to come forward about the story. There was also a time when after Paris that Gene had trouble with the Ford Model Agency in New York and they had also found out about his past . They were going to kick him out and I asked Gene about this and he said he had a uncle in the New Jersay Mafia who played cards with Gerald Ford the owner of the agency and had made him an offer that he couldn’t refuse . Something alone the lines like the Godfather Movie .
Greg you have confused a couple of things about the fondation as well.
I will go into this later .I want to re read some research I have and I want it to be correct and exact.The guardians of Athina’s inheritance and the foundation are two separate entities and you have mentioned them as one in your version of the story .
One thing that is good about this Blog is that there is now a dialog as to the How, Where and the Why of the Onassis Puzzle.
May 11, 2009 at 6:52 am
Richard Twrill
The print is to small and it seems you have edited the story because it looks as it was printed in Greek and it seems more in depth than the few lines you wrote about.
Can you translate this word for word so we can see what is left out?
http://onathinaonassis.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/ta-nea-tis-lefkadas/
May 11, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Sonja Kasten
It’s translated word by word and there is nothing left out. I actually just put a small copy of the original because I thought there wouldn’t be many interested in it, but if you had the full Greek version in big letters, it wouldn’t say much more than what there is.
What is a fact: we do all know far too much on other people’s life story than we naturally should, thing that certainly implies there is too much information left free all over internet (!)
May 11, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Richard Twrill
I was coming back to this link today and noticed that your number 1 position of your Athina Onassis Father open sesame has fallen off the web.
I had to search images to find this page. Can you tell me why?
When I first searched this blog you had a number 1 position in google search , now their is nothing if I search Athina Onassis Father.
I think Gene has given up about this blog anyway and for now I don’t thnk he minds me talking about this .
He says he is working on a movie script for the story and changing the names .
May 12, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Richard Twrill
It seems that your link is down and the google page link is missing. I searched open sesame and now the link is down, Any reason for that ??
May 13, 2009 at 1:47 am
Sonja Kasten
Perhaps the best thing to happen. I’m not a hit fan, I make some other kind of researches. And Mr O’Leary has rather nothing to do with my page, so that I don’t see why he should or not drop it.
If you want the direct link it is http://www.sonjakasten1.wordpress.com – ‘open sesame’ is just the name of the blog.
Hope he’ll have success with his script but I rather don’t think he’ll sell anything: he’s never shown any kind of extraordinary talent for writing.
Should leave to each his own talents.
May 13, 2009 at 3:51 am
Gene Carrier
Whats going on here ???
I do not know this person named Ricard Twill?? Why are you letting them print this BS about me ? It’s all lies too.
You should email me Sonja before you let stuff like this on the blog,,
Whats the deal. I thought we had an agreement .
Whats weird is I did register a movie tittle called ,
“The Modern Heiress”
How did this person who calls himself Richard know this ??
Gene
May 14, 2009 at 12:26 am
Sonja Kasten
As far as I know, the only agreement we had was that the rights on the story belong to me, thing you have agreed to several times via e-mail, which is still considered a legal text in some countries. And agreement you are breaking by registering movie titles, not to talk about other.
Why should I not leave other people talk if I let you talk?
Perhaps Hefner is interested in such a movie: see the kind, marginal boy involved in porno arrives to Paris and is hunted by ‘prejugés’. I would say the one who calls himself Richard is fishing for material in my pages, thing certainly implying you seem to be exposed to dirty competition (!!)
it usually happens when you are not fair yourself.
Be serious. If you want to make a good movie, contact someone like Mel Gibson – you get a 30% and we share benefits…
What do you think about that…
May 14, 2009 at 12:38 am
Greg
I think Ari’s will is final if there was no provision made for the foundation presidency to become a “possession” of his heir, and that is what the new lawyer/president says is the case. If Ari gave possession of the foundation leadership to the foundation itself, then it became autonomous upon his death and the board runs it whether or not they are relations or heirs of the founder.
The fact that the trustees elected Christina as president, supposedly to avoid a legal battle at that time even though Ari had made no provision for his heirs to control the foundation, does not mean that the foundation became Christina’s just because she was president. It remained a separate entity in law with her at the helm not her asset. Further if she as president could alter the original directive of the foundation, namely adding a clause that said an heir can/should be president when age 21, then a subsequent president could also alter the existing directive by removing the clause, which they have appearantly done.
I agree that if Athina could become president she could fire the board and add further clauses, maybe taking away the right of anyone but the heir/president to make changes to the articles. However that scenario would be difficult to write since a provision would need to be made in case there ceased to be an Onassis heir or, as with Athina, the heir is not old enough when the presidency became available. Exactly what Christina tried to impliment.
The fact that Ari didn’t will the foundation or its management to his heirs means that it is not part of Athina’s inheritance nor was it part of Christina’s inheritance. This new president, although he was with the foundation for several years, obviously doesn’t have the regard for the Onassis family that the previous trustees did, shown by their acquiesing to Christina’s demands to be president and change the founder’s, her father, wishes.
I don’t think they will ever give the presidency to Athina unless she can tie them up in court at a time when they need the cash to be flowing. Like right now with the large projects they have on the go. Unfortunately I think she also needs public opinion, Greek public opinion, to be in her corner, which it isn’t. If they were unable to complete these large projects because the foundations finances were frozen pending a hearing, and the Greek public was lobbying them to set her as president, they would have to let her in to save the projects. However if she was thought to be denying the funding for the projects as a power grab, the trustees could sit her out, knowing that they will win in the end.
The only other alternative is as you point out, if the trustees are PROVEN to have engaged in illegal activities, a judge would likely strip them of the foundation and Athina would be the most likely candidate to take over.
May 14, 2009 at 1:18 am
Greg
Will the real Gene O’Leary please stand up. How can someone register a movie title without spelling title correctly? Have you quit posting comments? I submitted my opinion about the Onassis Foundation but I guess you didn’t like it because its not there
May 14, 2009 at 2:53 am
Gene Carrier
If I can come out of this with a Movie ? Where does that leave you? Why haven’t you thought of this yourself? I have many dreams and aspirations
Mel could be a good audience . I will consider this an opportunity for the future and it would be fine to include you. I am not breaking any agreements only getting ready for future endeavors.
I wonder why CSI in Brazil should take down their email contact from their web page about the Equestrian tournament of Athina and Doda? I think it was to hush or quiet the employees from talking about this very blog.
Now if you can consider that action as an evidence of what I and others are saying here and an action to shut their eyes and ears to the truth then so be it.
I am still wondering where Greg and Richard came from and I am also wondering if they are one and the same person. since they both seam so knowledgeable about my life and Athina’s life.
I also noticed that Thierry’s GMT corp has gone off line and there is no information about it anymore? Makes me wonder sometimes is all I can say.
May 14, 2009 at 6:41 pm
James Wilkinson
So Gene Carrier..Youare alive?I have asked people whre you are and how you are?Last time I saw you was when we did the Marzotto film at the factory in Trieste Valdayna in Italy….
I wish you luck and happiness Gene.
Remember Ira Barmak?A good friend of mine?God bless his soul.
Jim “James” Wilkinson
May 14, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Gene Carrier
your comment of…
And thought it grave enough as possibility so as to let the man talk and start a few investigations myself.
What have your personal investigations turned up??????
I am not going to answer to Richard and Greg’s accusations , I will leave them stand uncontested for the time being.
I laugh at Richard’s comments and I do agree with you that Ricard may be some writer that has come across the blog and it seems that he is preparing his own story of my life …LOL
May 15, 2009 at 12:37 am
Sonja Kasten
To Greg: I don’t agree with you. The Foundation’s Presidence was given to Cristina Onassis in Aris’ will. First. The Foundation as legal entitity is nothing but a ‘will’, as the ‘katastatiko’ (statuts) is parts of it. In fact nothing but a legal trick in order to avoid paying taxes. As President, Cristina Onassis may transfer the Presidence to her daughter under a few conditions. In this case, the so called ‘president’ is nothing but a ‘representative’ who has to keep himself inside of Cristina’s will and not Ari’s will to change whatever.
To my eyes there is clearest usurpation from people who think to become owners of something by the sole means of managing it for a while. If it becomes custom, in a few years all managers will become owners of a business and this is dangerous.
For what is illegal: well, you say it yourself. They are trying to run the Foundation as a Company and a Foundation is legally something different. Like an ‘org’ in more generally used terms that can make no benefit.
I don’t understand what the public opinion has to do with property. Shall Bill Gates ask for permission to the American public opinion in order to run his business?
If Greek law does allow the fixing of Foundation’s rules in testaments, well … shall they revise their law. In no case it makes anyone owner of something whose virtual property is fixed inside of a testament.
May 15, 2009 at 12:45 am
Sonja Kasten
To Gene: you may have many dreams in your life but they should try to restrict themselves to what is still of your belonging. The story is mine, and that means, whatever public expression it is given to it, including movies.
It’s true that from a certain point of view, it is possible to make 4 different movies on the same subject without anyone getting aware of the fact that it is dealing with the same subject. But honestly, I don’t think it may be a great success if you restrain (did I agree) yourself to the use of your own material that is nothing but a few badly written comments.
Investigation means to give coherence and credibility to what someone says, thing you can’t do by yourself seen the complete mess of sometimes even contradictory things you say. It is the investigation that makes a story and that one, is mine.
My conclusions were that you were badly misused in order to serve other people’s interests independently of what this may imply concerning possible fatherships.
I don’t think they took off the comments box in CSI Sao Paolo page because they were the slightests afraid of you but because you had caused a damage to private property, reason of my anger, by the way.
May 15, 2009 at 2:20 am
Gene Carrier
Greg,
I think Athina’s answer is even easier than all you have gone on about. Their is a law about writing a will while at sea. Something to the fact that a will is only valid if it is written on land. Greek law I think, Athina could have the whole foudation for herself if she would be smart and challenge the original will that was written at Sea on the ship the Christina. Athina could in my opinion disolve the whole foundation on these merits. It was Christina Onassis who in hast overlooked this when she was in a hurry to claim her own money from the will of Aristotle and also her hurry to dispose of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, who she settled with for a mere 20 Million. Her hast cost her so much in settling with the foundation and the pressure to settle with Jacqueline Kennedy.The main point is whether or not Athina could contest the original will of Aristotle on the grounds that Christina was not educated or properly groomed for such a decision. It also brings up the question of whether or not anyone was looking out for Athina’s interest when Christina died. That to me is the sadest part of this that like when she went down the Isle of her wedding, her only comment was that their was no one there for her……….
May 15, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Gene Carrier
I don’t see my comments either sometimes , it seems Sonja is playing with all of us here by selecting what is to be viewed .
About your comment about me writing a book and misspelling a word . With all of the intelligence that you are trying to use Greg, you of all people should know how it is done in Hollywood and other parts of the world . You simply hire a writer to write for you . I don’t think that a publisher is going to put risk into a book without having the right author or talent to pen the words. How many books have you seen that were written about other peoples lives that were actually written by author of merit. I think that you just like to make yourself feel superior by putting someone else down . There are a lot of people like that in this world . So if that makes you feel better then by all means keep that attitude please. I have many thoughts and it takes a great amount of time and energy to express myself properly typing out my thoughts . Most of my thoughts stay with me because I am to lazy to take the time to express those thoughts . Sometimes I say whats the use if the owner of this page wants to create other pages for some to see and others not to see. There is such a thing as redirect where certain eyes can see certain things. The Internet is a brilliant medium wouldn’t you say Sonja.I normally copy and paste what I write here and send it to myself in email form so I can have a record of everything that doesn’t make it to the blog.That way I have a record of what I have said here.
May 15, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Gene Carrier
The main Onassis foundation website
http://www.onassis.gr/main.php?ID=0&lang=en
May 16, 2009 at 12:57 am
Sonja Kasten
This is exactly what your book will finally look like: ‘of how someone pretended to know too much about everything according to Fielding’, reason why, as long as you don’t pretend to make use of my material, I wouldn’t mind a second you published such ’stuff’- although I tend to hope publishers don’t get into such ’shit’, but there always are. I mean, you’ll finish by making yourself rather ridiculous, is the depth of my thought.
But you’re free doing so.
Concerning the ‘playing’ with you all, I should rather remind you of the fact that I’m owner of my page and can allow or not comments on it according to what I esteem proper, thing I wouldn’t qualify as ‘playing’ but as reasonable use of rights accorded by WordPress.
Indeed I esteem that internet is a powerful tool, if, on top, you know about language, imagination, fantasy, arguments, literary figures, logic, proves, reason, coherence and intelligibility, thing internet does usually not provide by itself.
May 17, 2009 at 6:13 pm
James Wilkinson
Hello and Bon jour…. James Wilkinson here….Gene and I have started to be friends again now, since modeling to chat and I find him to be a very sincere and good man.We all were wild in the past.But he is a very intelligent, sincere and gentlemanly human being.. He has no judgments on others or ill will to anyone.Maybe, perhaps, people should take him more seriously and respect his life stories and words?I stand by him!He is sincere..James Wilkinson
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimeli1jamesrw/
PEACE and Joy…
May 18, 2009 at 5:39 pm
jenecarrier
Thank you James for your kind words on my situation with my daughter. It has been a very difficult journey for me. I hope that me coming forward with my situation has helped my daughter come to know the facts about her life and how deceit has played a part in her existence. This may be the hardest part of her life. I started writing about this right after her marriage . I did tell a couple of sources about my father ship claims before ever writing here in 2004 prior to her marriage in Dec 2004. The best I can hope for is that the information of her knowing that there is a question to the true father ship of her would in turn help her in her fight for the inheritance from Thierry Roussel. I can only hope that the information I leaked went to her and it gave her the strength to fight for what is hers. It was been a long battle for her.
May 18, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Sonja Kasten
She doesn’t seem to be specifically happy by news, if you have read above. If I were you, I would avoid using the title ‘father’ or ‘daughter’ as it may have legal consequences.
May 19, 2009 at 12:38 am
greg
Gene, Let me first defend my comments by saying that I haven’t made “accusations” rather I have offered my take on the evidence and stated what I found on the internet, namely that you are everywhere described as a “gay porn star”. In light of that information I say that there is very little likelihood that you could be father to Athina since if that is true, a liason with Christina would have been all the more unlikely. Perhaps you will explain how such a label came to be?
Being a writer myself I am well aware of the time that goes into composing literature and I still wonder that you haven’t displayed sufficient organization (writing) skills that would be necessary even with a ghost writer. Nevertheless you don’t have to convince me, I am no Mel Gibson. I’m not Richard either, and Sonya can at least confirm that our emails are different, but remember that he claimed to know that you are not a gay porn star when I brought it up.
The question of the will of Ari vs the will of Christina was found on a website quoting the present president of the foundation. He said that Ari never made any provisions for Christina in his will regarding the foundation but as I am completely unaware of the Greek law governing it or the will itself, I cannot conclusively say that Athina is at their mercy, only that the president thinks she is.
Sonya, I accept and agree that you have complete say over what you wish to publish. I only commented in the second post because normally my posts were published instantaneously but that didn’t happen that time. I speculated that in light of Gene comments, “Why are you letting them print this BS about me ? It’s all lies too. You should email me Sonja before you let stuff like this on the blog,, Whats the deal. I thought we had an agreement”, I thought you might be following his direction.
Back to Gene…If you are earnestly seeking to meet with Athina, why didn’t you accept the offer to attend the event which every clue would seem to indicate that her people, (or a Thierry Roussel death squad), invited you to attend? In my area, I can get a passport in 3 days.
May 19, 2009 at 4:23 am
jenecarrier
I am ready for any all all legal consequences. Even you should know by now that the legal consequences you speak of will never come. I speak the truth and I speak from my heart about my daughter. I have many profs and evidence now so legal consequences would only mean that a court ordered DNA test would have to come since I was there and I alone had this affair with Christina Onassis which also resulted in having a daughter. I am the one who was cheated out of the experience of having a daughter but not ever getting to know and love her. Their were others who wanted their sick and twisted plans for my daughter. I can not change any of what has happened . The poor girl was tortured about her inheritance all of her life .For me I am the one who is tortured now thinking of missing my daughter and reading a bed time story and something only a father can receive joy from something like saying good night and I love you. The first time she goes to school and walking her to school for the very first time she ventures out in life .
These are the feeling that weigh heavy on my heart now.Words can not describe the feeling I have for missing out on my daughter .This is the real true gift life has to offer any parent and money can hold nothing to these emotions and feelings of family.
May 19, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Sonja Kasten
To Greg: comments can be moderated here and I introduced that feature when the page started to be ’spammed’ by a … hooligan (?)
I actually did not intend to publish anything, these texts where essais for projects to come that could eventually give results in my area of studies ‘aleatory logic’. As aleatory logic is aleatory you never know whether it is going to result in anything or not. As I had studied the Onassis story for other reasons when I was in Greece, I just run into a few subsidiary investigations when Gene propped out of nothingness.
Actually I don’t like that kind of ‘yellow press environment’ but thought that the whole seemed to reveal quite a great number of very dirty intentionalities that affect the social and/or judicial dealing with a certain number of subjects.
Am I honest, I would have to say that I rather hoped someone would sharply react to all that stuff, and nobody ever did. You can then change even your original dispositions. But I don’t think I will ever publish although it has become interesting from the point of view of the functioning of the flow of information.
Very honest? I kept the intellectual rights on the story in order to avoid Carrier may make it public through third class yellow press channels, thing that happened anyhow as mafia seems to support that kind of adventure. To keep this in a familiar wordpress environment (I thought) could attract someone’s attention for whatever purposes. It then ran out of control.
Mel Gibson was a joke (!!)
But don’t say it could not make an interesting story. (Fantasy has no limits and you can even improve characters.) Thus: imagine a movie start with someone who wakes up in the morning with a horrible headache after having drunk too much all night, goes to the window and says ‘I’ve fucked up my life’, and then goes to internet and writes as a comment on a page ‘I’m Athina Onassis father’. The constant playing with the real, possible and unreal in an investigation that constructs the past out of brins of herb and then, then Athina Onassis gets furious (logically) and you just see the concerned in CSI Sao Paolo while Onassis is at the other end of the place, and you put an end to it without conclusion. Elements are interesting, you see: fashion, mafia, fortunes, horses, high tech aleatory logic, etc. Jumping from France to Greece, USA and Brasil, it can be fascinating, don’t say. It’s ideas that come later, I must honestly say it was really not the original intention.
If there are a few horses in the movie, it’s possible even Onassis agreed: makes good publicity for the horse show, I thought wickedly.
May 19, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Sonja Kasten
To Gene: Right then, I’ll send oranges to prison for you then. There is nothing but to insist too much in order to obtain good results.
First: there can be no proves for a fathership even if you have a witness on this that you assisted to that party. It only says that you knew Cristina Onassis, and nothing else.
Second: as long as there is no hint for a crime, a private may refuse a DNA test even in the USA.
Third: as ‘father’ is a legal term that can be accorded through different means, and you don’t have these, it is a false attribution that is in any case illegal. Only a court may decide whether you have rights to use it or not and as I don’t think anyone is in the disposition to agree to give the corresponding proves, you will never win a trial.
Consequently you loose a claim made on basis ‘misuse of family boundaries for whatever purpose’ and if you don’t pay, it may imply prison.
It looks quite simple, doesn’t it?
May 20, 2009 at 12:02 am
jenecarrier
There can be no disproves as you put it either. I was there Christina Onassis and I were lovers . Thierry Roussel did marry Christina Onassis for $30,000,000.00 dollars. These is a statement by his own words. I also worked for First Model agency. noone can take the time away from me that I spent with Christina Onassis . It is something that happened in real life and it also happened in my own Real Time. I do not make this up for a movie , I have stated that I want no money fron this and I have witness on this page that also has said that I have made millions on muy own and the fact is that I am worth a couple of million still.
I made over $35 million dollars gross in my old business as a producer here in Hollywood over a period of 20 years . I made it on my own and I am a self made millionaire.. I am a tortured soul , I still have a soul and have recently found my heart . Maybe this was not the best idea to come forward in public like this but I felt I have no other choice…
I want some answers ,,,,,,,,,,,
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May 20, 2009 at 1:55 am
Sonja Kasten
This is no e-mail. On the property of comments may still be discussed upon. But, remember that the information you provide now is the same I have in e-mails whose use for my own purposes you have granted yourself.
A producer? You published in Ta Nea tis Lefkadas you had a ready house business. I have this information in e-mails, too.
Don’t get lost in contradictions.
May 20, 2009 at 2:03 am
Sonja Kasten
I told you better not to claim for money to avoid the possible worse. But I have several e-mails of yours clearly stating you wanted a part of Athina Onassis fortune. And your marvelous ‘idea’ to have both Aristotle’s and Cristona’s will be revised is a clear hint for this, although you didn’t say it openly. It’s perhaps no fraud, but it looks horribly like blackmailing.
If you had a love affair with Cristina Onassis, it does certainly not imply the child is yours. Remember she was married at those times. And who knows.
May 20, 2009 at 4:35 am
jenecarrier
I only want answers ,
I want the truth
I have been fighting the devil long enough.
I have always had people using things over me .
Using My Past for one .It has happened here too. I was young and I made an indiscretion of youth when I was young and it has been used against me again and again for all my adult life.Its so American. LOL
No one will ever feel the pain I feel.
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May 20, 2009 at 4:52 am
jenecarrier
If I made private remarks to you about refiling the will of Aristotle or Christina O. or such then it was in an effort to help Athina. It was in a hypothetical suggestion to help her gain control of the foundation. I think these emails will point this out if you re read them . I would only love to help her. It was in a way to help her get back the foundation for her and for her only. It is rightfully hers by heir that is clearly stated in Aristotles and Christinas last will. The question is why would Aristotle want anything other than his heir to receive the foundation. It is only a theory to help her get the foundation back for
her , In theory it sounds good and also looks good. Why dirty that up with your own thoughts of Blackmail.
That was nasty Sonja.
But you are free to Inturperate this anyway you would like.
May 21, 2009 at 5:34 pm
jenecarrier
Greg,
I did get a passport , I instead went to pay respects to the 20 th anniversary of Christina’s passing in Greece on November 20th 2008 . You can see the link
http://onathinaonassis.wordpress.com
There is so much more that has happened to me that I am keeping some of those items private. In respect to your comment about my notes for a ghost writer and writing a book or sceen play for a movie , I am keeping some of the story for myself and that is why you do not get the privilege to read all of my story here. I have hours of tape and video tapes on the subject anyway because it is so much easier to express myself on tape and video as opposed to typing ever word out .I have considered running all my video on http://www.youtude.com as a video blog and I think there would be a bigger audience on http://www.youtube.com as well. I have been lamenting about my past and beating myself up a lot about the choices I made in this life. The conclusion that I have come to is quiet simply this , Even my bad has not or ever been as bad as some peoples bad on this planet.” If you take a look around ” as I say you will see many people on this planet that have it so much worse of than myself . I must now admit that I have lead a wonderful life and have been discovering some insightful things that have come out of my past. I want some concrete answers and I will not get them any other way than to lament. LOL I have suffered so much over all of this and I stopped and talked to God , I asked God why me and I asked God why this way and I asked God why do I have to suffer like this…..
Do you know what God told me …I would tell you but that is privileged information and only information for those who know .
I hope that this answers your questions.
November 3, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Barbara Tipton
Gene,
I think you should have a heft lawsuit filed as you caused so much problems with my family.
In fact I will consult an Attorney. What a liar you turned out to be.